| Message ID | 20210521194234.24916-1-michael@niedermayer.cc |
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| State | New |
| Headers | show |
| Series | [FFmpeg-devel] web/contact: Add libera.chat | expand |
| Context | Check | Description |
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| andriy/configure | warning | Failed to apply patch |
fre 2021-05-21 klockan 21:42 +0200 skrev Michael Niedermayer: > See the internets about the whole freenode vs. libera drama > > This is a bit a RFC, i would assume that we will move forward with only > one set of official IRC channels. > But maybe its too early to ask for RFC, iam not sure how much everyone > knows about this, and knowledge must come before making comments and decissions Perhaps we should wait a month or two for the dust to settle. I presume both channels have already been registered on libera.chat. I'm fine with either network. /Tomas
On Sun, May 23, 2021 at 04:11:22PM +0200, Tomas Härdin wrote: > fre 2021-05-21 klockan 21:42 +0200 skrev Michael Niedermayer: > > See the internets about the whole freenode vs. libera drama > > > > This is a bit a RFC, i would assume that we will move forward with only > > one set of official IRC channels. > > But maybe its too early to ask for RFC, iam not sure how much everyone > > knows about this, and knowledge must come before making comments and decissions > > Perhaps we should wait a month or two for the dust to settle. > I presume > both channels have already been registered on libera.chat. I'm fine > with either network. The channels on libera are registered The channels on freenode where registered previously One question that i think we should ask is what "buisness model" these 2 have. One seems to be a simple volunteer based "not for profit" the other is said to be bought by some rich person. Does anyone know what the buisness model behind that is ? Normally when someone buys / invests in something he expects something more valuable in return. Is this some sort of "free" funded by advertisement model or if not then how does it work? does anyone know ? Thanks [...]
Hi Michael, only 2 **technical** comments below. On 2021-05-21 21:42 +0200, Michael Niedermayer wrote: > See the internets about the whole freenode vs. libera drama > > This is a bit a RFC, i would assume that we will move forward with only > one set of official IRC channels. > But maybe its too early to ask for RFC, iam not sure how much everyone > knows about this, and knowledge must come before making comments and decissions > > Signed-off-by: Michael Niedermayer <michael@niedermayer.cc> > --- > src/contact | 9 +++++++++ > 1 file changed, 9 insertions(+) > > diff --git a/src/contact b/src/contact > index 369e9a4..1da5aea 100644 > --- a/src/contact > +++ b/src/contact > @@ -98,6 +98,15 @@ > <h3 id="IRCChannels"> > <i class="fa fa-comment"></i> > IRC Channels</h3> > + <div style="color: white"> > + <p> > + FFmpeg has two official channels on the <a href="https://libera.chat/">Libera</a> > + IRC network (formly freenode). Both channels are open and unmoderated. Maintainers ^^^^^^ This should probably be spelled formerly and I'm not sure how correct it is to say that the Libera IRC network was formerly freenode. I can't currently think of something short, but to my understanding it should read more like "founded by former freenode staff members" or similar. > + have operator status, contributors with patches in FFmpeg > + have voice in the channels. > + Please read and follow the <a href="developer.html#Code-of-conduct">Code of conduct</a>. > + </p> > + </div> As long as the two channel links below (not seen in this patch) point to freenode, I guess the average reader will land on freenode. Best regards, Alexander
I'm in favour of switching over to Libera.chat. Freenodes business model is more than questionable, and some recent actions of the new staff are questionable at best. The old Freenode staff have switched to Libera in their entirety, so it seems only natural to follow along than to stay on a network that's basically under the dictation of a millionaire that's apparently also somehow some crown prince of Korea(?). I wouldn't even add this section without removing the mention of Freenode at the same time. Listing both is only going to cause confusion.
On 2021-05-25 16:37, Timo Rothenpieler wrote: > I'm in favour of switching over to Libera.chat. > Freenodes business model is more than questionable, and some recent > actions of the new staff are questionable at best. > > The old Freenode staff have switched to Libera in their entirety, so > it seems only natural to follow along than to stay on a network that's > basically under the dictation of a millionaire that's apparently also > somehow some crown prince of Korea(?). > > > I wouldn't even add this section without removing the mention of > Freenode at the same time. Listing both is only going to cause confusion. Agreed. Things seem to have come to a head within the last day: https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2021/05/26/announcing-ubuntus-move-to-libera-chat/ https://www.gentoo.org/news/2021/05/26/gentoo-freenode-channels-hijacked.html Regards, Gyan
On 26.05.2021 12:43, Gyan Doshi wrote: > > > On 2021-05-25 16:37, Timo Rothenpieler wrote: >> I'm in favour of switching over to Libera.chat. >> Freenodes business model is more than questionable, and some recent >> actions of the new staff are questionable at best. >> >> The old Freenode staff have switched to Libera in their entirety, so >> it seems only natural to follow along than to stay on a network that's >> basically under the dictation of a millionaire that's apparently also >> somehow some crown prince of Korea(?). >> >> >> I wouldn't even add this section without removing the mention of >> Freenode at the same time. Listing both is only going to cause confusion. > > Agreed. Things seem to have come to a head within the last day: > > https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2021/05/26/announcing-ubuntus-move-to-libera-chat/ > > https://www.gentoo.org/news/2021/05/26/gentoo-freenode-channels-hijacked.html Yes, should probably push this rather sooner than later. Freenode has turned into an actively hostile environment and I'd like to leave it rather sooner than later.
On 21 May 2021, at 21:42, Michael Niedermayer wrote: > See the internets about the whole freenode vs. libera drama > > This is a bit a RFC, i would assume that we will move forward with > only > one set of official IRC channels. Note that if you want to keep the Freenode channel for the time being too, better not mention any others network channel in the topic, as it can get the channel forcibly taken over/closed like it happened to #xiph. Citing from the #freenode topic: […] Remember, we do not support spamming or advertising other networks in channels topics or in other forms […] > But maybe its too early to ask for RFC, iam not sure how much everyone > knows about this, and knowledge must come before making comments and > decissions > > Signed-off-by: Michael Niedermayer <michael@niedermayer.cc> > --- > src/contact | 9 +++++++++ > 1 file changed, 9 insertions(+) > > diff --git a/src/contact b/src/contact > index 369e9a4..1da5aea 100644 > --- a/src/contact > +++ b/src/contact > @@ -98,6 +98,15 @@ > <h3 id="IRCChannels"> > <i class="fa fa-comment"></i> > IRC Channels</h3> > + <div style="color: white"> > + <p> > + FFmpeg has two official channels on the <a > href="https://libera.chat/">Libera</a> > + IRC network (formly freenode). Both channels are open and > unmoderated. Maintainers > + have operator status, contributors with patches in FFmpeg > + have voice in the channels. > + Please read and follow the <a > href="developer.html#Code-of-conduct">Code of conduct</a>. > + </p> > + </div> > <div style="color: white"> > <p> > FFmpeg has two official channels on the <a > href="https://freenode.net/">freenode</a> > -- > 2.17.1 > > _______________________________________________ > ffmpeg-devel mailing list > ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org > https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel > > To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email > ffmpeg-devel-request@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe".
On 2021-05-26 16:38, Timo Rothenpieler wrote: > On 26.05.2021 12:43, Gyan Doshi wrote: >> >> >> On 2021-05-25 16:37, Timo Rothenpieler wrote: >>> I'm in favour of switching over to Libera.chat. >>> Freenodes business model is more than questionable, and some recent >>> actions of the new staff are questionable at best. >>> >>> The old Freenode staff have switched to Libera in their entirety, so >>> it seems only natural to follow along than to stay on a network >>> that's basically under the dictation of a millionaire that's >>> apparently also somehow some crown prince of Korea(?). >>> >>> >>> I wouldn't even add this section without removing the mention of >>> Freenode at the same time. Listing both is only going to cause >>> confusion. >> >> Agreed. Things seem to have come to a head within the last day: >> >> https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2021/05/26/announcing-ubuntus-move-to-libera-chat/ >> >> https://www.gentoo.org/news/2021/05/26/gentoo-freenode-channels-hijacked.html > > > Yes, should probably push this rather sooner than later. > Freenode has turned into an actively hostile environment and I'd like > to leave it rather sooner than later. Will push it tonight if Michael hasn't. Gyan
On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 01:08:57PM +0200, Timo Rothenpieler wrote: > On 26.05.2021 12:43, Gyan Doshi wrote: > > > > > > On 2021-05-25 16:37, Timo Rothenpieler wrote: > > > I'm in favour of switching over to Libera.chat. > > > Freenodes business model is more than questionable, and some recent > > > actions of the new staff are questionable at best. > > > > > > The old Freenode staff have switched to Libera in their entirety, so > > > it seems only natural to follow along than to stay on a network > > > that's basically under the dictation of a millionaire that's > > > apparently also somehow some crown prince of Korea(?). > > > > > > > > > I wouldn't even add this section without removing the mention of > > > Freenode at the same time. Listing both is only going to cause > > > confusion. > > > > Agreed. Things seem to have come to a head within the last day: > > > > https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2021/05/26/announcing-ubuntus-move-to-libera-chat/ > > > > https://www.gentoo.org/news/2021/05/26/gentoo-freenode-channels-hijacked.html > > Yes, should probably push this rather sooner than later. > Freenode has turned into an actively hostile environment and I'd like to > leave it rather sooner than later. i didnt expect this to deteriorate so raptidly, it makes no real sense to me. But given all this, its reasonable to point to libera so ill apply this patch while removing freenode from our contacts page. We can always change things if people want something different later thanks [...]
diff --git a/src/contact b/src/contact index 369e9a4..1da5aea 100644 --- a/src/contact +++ b/src/contact @@ -98,6 +98,15 @@ <h3 id="IRCChannels"> <i class="fa fa-comment"></i> IRC Channels</h3> + <div style="color: white"> + <p> + FFmpeg has two official channels on the <a href="https://libera.chat/">Libera</a> + IRC network (formly freenode). Both channels are open and unmoderated. Maintainers + have operator status, contributors with patches in FFmpeg + have voice in the channels. + Please read and follow the <a href="developer.html#Code-of-conduct">Code of conduct</a>. + </p> + </div> <div style="color: white"> <p> FFmpeg has two official channels on the <a href="https://freenode.net/">freenode</a>
See the internets about the whole freenode vs. libera drama This is a bit a RFC, i would assume that we will move forward with only one set of official IRC channels. But maybe its too early to ask for RFC, iam not sure how much everyone knows about this, and knowledge must come before making comments and decissions Signed-off-by: Michael Niedermayer <michael@niedermayer.cc> --- src/contact | 9 +++++++++ 1 file changed, 9 insertions(+)