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[FFmpeg-devel] web/contact: Add libera.chat

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Michael Niedermayer May 21, 2021, 7:42 p.m. UTC
See the internets about the whole freenode vs. libera drama

This is a bit a RFC, i would assume that we will move forward with only
one set of official IRC channels.
But maybe its too early to ask for RFC, iam not sure how much everyone
knows about this, and knowledge must come before making comments and decissions

Signed-off-by: Michael Niedermayer <michael@niedermayer.cc>
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 src/contact | 9 +++++++++
 1 file changed, 9 insertions(+)

Comments

Tomas Härdin May 23, 2021, 2:11 p.m. UTC | #1
fre 2021-05-21 klockan 21:42 +0200 skrev Michael Niedermayer:
> See the internets about the whole freenode vs. libera drama
> 
> This is a bit a RFC, i would assume that we will move forward with only
> one set of official IRC channels.
> But maybe its too early to ask for RFC, iam not sure how much everyone
> knows about this, and knowledge must come before making comments and decissions

Perhaps we should wait a month or two for the dust to settle. I presume
both channels have already been registered on libera.chat. I'm fine
with either network.

/Tomas
Michael Niedermayer May 24, 2021, 5:10 p.m. UTC | #2
On Sun, May 23, 2021 at 04:11:22PM +0200, Tomas Härdin wrote:
> fre 2021-05-21 klockan 21:42 +0200 skrev Michael Niedermayer:
> > See the internets about the whole freenode vs. libera drama
> > 
> > This is a bit a RFC, i would assume that we will move forward with only
> > one set of official IRC channels.
> > But maybe its too early to ask for RFC, iam not sure how much everyone
> > knows about this, and knowledge must come before making comments and decissions
> 
> Perhaps we should wait a month or two for the dust to settle. 

> I presume
> both channels have already been registered on libera.chat. I'm fine
> with either network.

The channels on libera are registered
The channels on freenode where registered previously 

One question that i think we should ask is what "buisness model"
these 2 have.
One seems to be a simple volunteer based "not for profit" the other
is said to be bought by some rich person. Does anyone know what the
buisness model behind that is ?
Normally when someone buys / invests in something he expects something
more valuable in return.
Is this some sort of "free" funded by advertisement model or if not then
how does it work? does anyone know ?

Thanks

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Alexander Strasser May 24, 2021, 9:44 p.m. UTC | #3
Hi Michael,

only 2 **technical** comments below.

On 2021-05-21 21:42 +0200, Michael Niedermayer wrote:
> See the internets about the whole freenode vs. libera drama
>
> This is a bit a RFC, i would assume that we will move forward with only
> one set of official IRC channels.
> But maybe its too early to ask for RFC, iam not sure how much everyone
> knows about this, and knowledge must come before making comments and decissions
>
> Signed-off-by: Michael Niedermayer <michael@niedermayer.cc>
> ---
>  src/contact | 9 +++++++++
>  1 file changed, 9 insertions(+)
>
> diff --git a/src/contact b/src/contact
> index 369e9a4..1da5aea 100644
> --- a/src/contact
> +++ b/src/contact
> @@ -98,6 +98,15 @@
>        <h3 id="IRCChannels">
>          <i class="fa fa-comment"></i>
>          IRC Channels</h3>
> +      <div style="color: white">
> +        <p>
> +          FFmpeg has two official channels on the <a href="https://libera.chat/">Libera</a>
> +          IRC network (formly freenode). Both channels are open and unmoderated. Maintainers
                          ^^^^^^
This should probably be spelled formerly and I'm not sure how correct
it is to say that the Libera IRC network was formerly freenode.

I can't currently think of something short, but to my understanding it
should read more like "founded by former freenode staff members" or
similar.


> +          have operator status, contributors with patches in FFmpeg
> +          have voice in the channels.
> +          Please read and follow the <a href="developer.html#Code-of-conduct">Code of conduct</a>.
> +        </p>
> +      </div>

As long as the two channel links below (not seen in this patch) point
to freenode, I guess the average reader will land on freenode.


Best regards,
  Alexander
Timo Rothenpieler May 25, 2021, 11:07 a.m. UTC | #4
I'm in favour of switching over to Libera.chat.
Freenodes business model is more than questionable, and some recent 
actions of the new staff are questionable at best.

The old Freenode staff have switched to Libera in their entirety, so it 
seems only natural to follow along than to stay on a network that's 
basically under the dictation of a millionaire that's apparently also 
somehow some crown prince of Korea(?).


I wouldn't even add this section without removing the mention of 
Freenode at the same time. Listing both is only going to cause confusion.
Gyan Doshi May 26, 2021, 10:43 a.m. UTC | #5
On 2021-05-25 16:37, Timo Rothenpieler wrote:
> I'm in favour of switching over to Libera.chat.
> Freenodes business model is more than questionable, and some recent 
> actions of the new staff are questionable at best.
>
> The old Freenode staff have switched to Libera in their entirety, so 
> it seems only natural to follow along than to stay on a network that's 
> basically under the dictation of a millionaire that's apparently also 
> somehow some crown prince of Korea(?).
>
>
> I wouldn't even add this section without removing the mention of 
> Freenode at the same time. Listing both is only going to cause confusion.

Agreed. Things seem to have come to a head within the last day:

https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2021/05/26/announcing-ubuntus-move-to-libera-chat/
https://www.gentoo.org/news/2021/05/26/gentoo-freenode-channels-hijacked.html

Regards,
Gyan
Timo Rothenpieler May 26, 2021, 11:08 a.m. UTC | #6
On 26.05.2021 12:43, Gyan Doshi wrote:
> 
> 
> On 2021-05-25 16:37, Timo Rothenpieler wrote:
>> I'm in favour of switching over to Libera.chat.
>> Freenodes business model is more than questionable, and some recent 
>> actions of the new staff are questionable at best.
>>
>> The old Freenode staff have switched to Libera in their entirety, so 
>> it seems only natural to follow along than to stay on a network that's 
>> basically under the dictation of a millionaire that's apparently also 
>> somehow some crown prince of Korea(?).
>>
>>
>> I wouldn't even add this section without removing the mention of 
>> Freenode at the same time. Listing both is only going to cause confusion.
> 
> Agreed. Things seem to have come to a head within the last day:
> 
> https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2021/05/26/announcing-ubuntus-move-to-libera-chat/ 
> 
> https://www.gentoo.org/news/2021/05/26/gentoo-freenode-channels-hijacked.html 

Yes, should probably push this rather sooner than later.
Freenode has turned into an actively hostile environment and I'd like to 
leave it rather sooner than later.
Marvin Scholz (ePirat) May 26, 2021, 11:20 a.m. UTC | #7
On 21 May 2021, at 21:42, Michael Niedermayer wrote:

> See the internets about the whole freenode vs. libera drama
>
> This is a bit a RFC, i would assume that we will move forward with 
> only
> one set of official IRC channels.

Note that if you want to keep the Freenode channel for the time being 
too,
better not mention any others network channel in the topic, as it can 
get
the channel forcibly taken over/closed like it happened to #xiph.

Citing from the #freenode topic:

[…]
Remember, we do not support spamming or advertising other networks in 
channels
topics or in other forms
[…]

> But maybe its too early to ask for RFC, iam not sure how much everyone
> knows about this, and knowledge must come before making comments and 
> decissions
>
> Signed-off-by: Michael Niedermayer <michael@niedermayer.cc>
> ---
>  src/contact | 9 +++++++++
>  1 file changed, 9 insertions(+)
>
> diff --git a/src/contact b/src/contact
> index 369e9a4..1da5aea 100644
> --- a/src/contact
> +++ b/src/contact
> @@ -98,6 +98,15 @@
>        <h3 id="IRCChannels">
>          <i class="fa fa-comment"></i>
>          IRC Channels</h3>
> +      <div style="color: white">
> +        <p>
> +          FFmpeg has two official channels on the <a 
> href="https://libera.chat/">Libera</a>
> +          IRC network (formly freenode). Both channels are open and 
> unmoderated. Maintainers
> +          have operator status, contributors with patches in FFmpeg
> +          have voice in the channels.
> +          Please read and follow the <a 
> href="developer.html#Code-of-conduct">Code of conduct</a>.
> +        </p>
> +      </div>
>        <div style="color: white">
>          <p>
>            FFmpeg has two official channels on the <a 
> href="https://freenode.net/">freenode</a>
> -- 
> 2.17.1
>
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Gyan Doshi May 26, 2021, 11:21 a.m. UTC | #8
On 2021-05-26 16:38, Timo Rothenpieler wrote:
> On 26.05.2021 12:43, Gyan Doshi wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 2021-05-25 16:37, Timo Rothenpieler wrote:
>>> I'm in favour of switching over to Libera.chat.
>>> Freenodes business model is more than questionable, and some recent 
>>> actions of the new staff are questionable at best.
>>>
>>> The old Freenode staff have switched to Libera in their entirety, so 
>>> it seems only natural to follow along than to stay on a network 
>>> that's basically under the dictation of a millionaire that's 
>>> apparently also somehow some crown prince of Korea(?).
>>>
>>>
>>> I wouldn't even add this section without removing the mention of 
>>> Freenode at the same time. Listing both is only going to cause 
>>> confusion.
>>
>> Agreed. Things seem to have come to a head within the last day:
>>
>> https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2021/05/26/announcing-ubuntus-move-to-libera-chat/ 
>>
>> https://www.gentoo.org/news/2021/05/26/gentoo-freenode-channels-hijacked.html 
>
>
> Yes, should probably push this rather sooner than later.
> Freenode has turned into an actively hostile environment and I'd like 
> to leave it rather sooner than later.

Will push it tonight if Michael hasn't.

Gyan
Michael Niedermayer May 26, 2021, 12:53 p.m. UTC | #9
On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 01:08:57PM +0200, Timo Rothenpieler wrote:
> On 26.05.2021 12:43, Gyan Doshi wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > On 2021-05-25 16:37, Timo Rothenpieler wrote:
> > > I'm in favour of switching over to Libera.chat.
> > > Freenodes business model is more than questionable, and some recent
> > > actions of the new staff are questionable at best.
> > > 
> > > The old Freenode staff have switched to Libera in their entirety, so
> > > it seems only natural to follow along than to stay on a network
> > > that's basically under the dictation of a millionaire that's
> > > apparently also somehow some crown prince of Korea(?).
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I wouldn't even add this section without removing the mention of
> > > Freenode at the same time. Listing both is only going to cause
> > > confusion.
> > 
> > Agreed. Things seem to have come to a head within the last day:
> > 
> > https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2021/05/26/announcing-ubuntus-move-to-libera-chat/
> > 
> > https://www.gentoo.org/news/2021/05/26/gentoo-freenode-channels-hijacked.html
> 
> Yes, should probably push this rather sooner than later.
> Freenode has turned into an actively hostile environment and I'd like to
> leave it rather sooner than later.

i didnt expect this to deteriorate so raptidly, it makes no real sense to
me. But given all this, its reasonable to point to libera so ill apply
this patch while removing freenode from our contacts page.
We can always change things if people want something different later

thanks

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diff --git a/src/contact b/src/contact
index 369e9a4..1da5aea 100644
--- a/src/contact
+++ b/src/contact
@@ -98,6 +98,15 @@ 
       <h3 id="IRCChannels">
         <i class="fa fa-comment"></i>
         IRC Channels</h3>
+      <div style="color: white">
+        <p>
+          FFmpeg has two official channels on the <a href="https://libera.chat/">Libera</a>
+          IRC network (formly freenode). Both channels are open and unmoderated. Maintainers
+          have operator status, contributors with patches in FFmpeg
+          have voice in the channels.
+          Please read and follow the <a href="developer.html#Code-of-conduct">Code of conduct</a>.
+        </p>
+      </div>
       <div style="color: white">
         <p>
           FFmpeg has two official channels on the <a href="https://freenode.net/">freenode</a>